1 00:00:37,170 --> 00:00:21,840 [Music] 2 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:41,670 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:44,130 into the world of the paranormal 4 00:00:51,710 --> 00:00:47,410 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:54,830 --> 00:00:51,720 universe exploring the unexplained UFO s 6 00:00:57,210 --> 00:00:54,840 ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:01,050 --> 00:00:57,220 cryptozoology waters as well as other 8 00:01:05,460 --> 00:01:01,060 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:08,700 --> 00:01:05,470 night last night now your electrifying 10 00:01:14,340 --> 00:01:08,710 hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy 11 00:01:22,870 --> 00:01:17,830 b5 fo fum 12 00:01:27,940 --> 00:01:22,880 I can smell the blood of an Earthling b5 13 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:27,950 of Tim Tim what in the hell are we doing 14 00:01:32,470 --> 00:01:31,100 up on this Beanstalk and and wait a 15 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:32,480 minute you're you're looking a bit 16 00:01:37,570 --> 00:01:35,450 larger than usual have you been getting 17 00:01:42,730 --> 00:01:37,580 into the fortified breakfast cereal 18 00:01:46,210 --> 00:01:42,740 again I don't know who you think I am I 19 00:01:48,100 --> 00:01:46,220 am Tim the giant from Alpha Omega and 20 00:01:52,330 --> 00:01:48,110 we've come to take your stupid earth 21 00:01:54,910 --> 00:01:52,340 people off the planet mm okay well 22 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:54,920 simmer down big boy it's all a 23 00:02:01,180 --> 00:01:58,810 hallucination caused by the fact that 24 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:01,190 we've climbed up to this high altitude 25 00:02:08,590 --> 00:02:05,960 where the air is thinner though that 26 00:02:11,410 --> 00:02:08,600 that that UFO overhead looks a bit 27 00:02:15,610 --> 00:02:11,420 menacing I suppose you're going to tell 28 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:15,620 me you landed here in that thing fee fie 29 00:02:24,310 --> 00:02:20,090 foe fum you better run run back to the K 30 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:24,320 cor studios hurry okay you don't have to 31 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:38,570 ask me twice climb down here here I am 32 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:40,760 stalking you again they're in Jasper 33 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:46,489 Indiana Tim I'm sorry no that's bad hey 34 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:48,590 what are you for what I get for when I 35 00:02:58,270 --> 00:02:56,560 we're doing I I thought since the World 36 00:03:00,850 --> 00:02:58,280 Series is coming up we were gonna do a 37 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:00,860 show on on the baseball team the Giants 38 00:03:06,850 --> 00:03:03,530 but I guess that's not what we're going 39 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:06,860 to do no no not not not today maybe 40 00:03:12,250 --> 00:03:09,769 sometime I mean you know I you know you 41 00:03:14,170 --> 00:03:12,260 know more about baseball than I do but 42 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:14,180 we can probably pull that off sometime 43 00:03:20,650 --> 00:03:16,610 maybe so maybe so we've got a show on 44 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:20,660 wrestling and um yeah yeah we couldn't 45 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:23,330 we could do that but tell us didn't know 46 00:03:27,180 --> 00:03:25,790 more nonsense and since we're down here 47 00:03:30,420 --> 00:03:27,190 at the ground 48 00:03:33,060 --> 00:03:30,430 and and all that tell us about the 49 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:33,070 actual topic for this evening and who we 50 00:03:37,580 --> 00:03:36,340 are going to be chatting with oh my 51 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:37,590 pleasure 52 00:03:44,430 --> 00:03:41,370 well and as our audience can tell by our 53 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:44,440 opening tonight we are going to be 54 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:47,560 talking about giants one of our favorite 55 00:03:52,410 --> 00:03:49,510 subjects here on exploring the bazaar 56 00:03:55,740 --> 00:03:52,420 and our guest tonight I'm really happy 57 00:03:58,700 --> 00:03:55,750 that Adam can be with this is Adam 58 00:04:01,680 --> 00:03:58,710 Oliver Stokes now Adam holds degrees in 59 00:04:02,790 --> 00:04:01,690 religion for Duke University and Yale 60 00:04:04,830 --> 00:04:02,800 Divinity School 61 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:04,840 he's written on numerous subjects 62 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:07,450 including biblical studies classical 63 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:10,540 studies LDS theology and ancient 64 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:13,450 American civilization particularly the 65 00:04:20,580 --> 00:04:17,290 phenomena of American ceremonial mounds 66 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:20,590 and giants his book perspectives on the 67 00:04:26,250 --> 00:04:24,460 Old Testament was published in 2018 in 68 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:26,260 addition to this his work has been 69 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:28,870 featured in the Journal of Hebrew 70 00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:31,330 studies the journal of the book of the 71 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:34,750 Mormon BYU quarterly the classical 72 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:38,410 outlook and ancient American magazine he 73 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:40,780 has recently appeared on the podcast 74 00:04:46,530 --> 00:04:43,750 earth ancients where he discussed the 75 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:46,540 history of giants in north america and 76 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:49,090 he currently teaches Old Testament at 77 00:04:54,870 --> 00:04:51,160 st. Joseph's University in Philadelphia 78 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:54,880 and high school Latin in Allentown High 79 00:04:59,700 --> 00:04:57,970 School in New Jersey so Adam thanks for 80 00:05:05,210 --> 00:04:59,710 being with us tonight on exploring the 81 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:05,220 bizarre my pleasure glad to be here yeah 82 00:05:11,159 --> 00:05:07,720 kind of looking forward to delving into 83 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:11,169 this myself you know you Tim and I are 84 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:13,360 our main thing of course is a UFOs 85 00:05:19,140 --> 00:05:15,730 although here on exploring the bizarre 86 00:05:21,300 --> 00:05:19,150 we get into all kinds of mischief when 87 00:05:24,659 --> 00:05:21,310 it comes to the paranormal and you know 88 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:24,669 Giants are not totally unknown as far as 89 00:05:30,630 --> 00:05:27,400 UFOs go we've had giants coming out of 90 00:05:34,020 --> 00:05:30,640 UFOs we've had one either Cyclops I know 91 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:34,030 in Brazil where there's some youngsters 92 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:36,220 they were in their early teens went out 93 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:38,500 to get some water from the the well and 94 00:05:43,260 --> 00:05:41,080 saw this giant coming down 95 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:43,270 alight and I was just writing the other 96 00:05:49,439 --> 00:05:46,050 day about an incident in Warminster 97 00:05:53,249 --> 00:05:49,449 England where several members of the 98 00:05:54,809 --> 00:05:53,259 community had the opportunity to I don't 99 00:05:56,700 --> 00:05:54,819 know whether the word would be tangle 100 00:05:59,610 --> 00:05:56,710 with because they did well yeah I guess 101 00:06:04,230 --> 00:05:59,620 tangle with these seven or eight foot 102 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:04,240 tall beings that were translucent they 103 00:06:09,749 --> 00:06:07,050 could hear them they could hear their 104 00:06:12,089 --> 00:06:09,759 footprints being if they had feet that 105 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:12,099 is on the on the gravel and they could 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:14,520 hear them rustling around through the 107 00:06:21,089 --> 00:06:18,849 underbrush but they were translucent or 108 00:06:23,610 --> 00:06:21,099 transparent I guess you know very very 109 00:06:26,430 --> 00:06:23,620 very strange but a Giants are not 110 00:06:30,379 --> 00:06:26,440 totally unknown to us but I take it we 111 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:30,389 are talking about Giants Adam in the 112 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:33,250 biblical sense of the Old Testament 113 00:06:39,149 --> 00:06:36,969 David and Goliath yes yes so my so 114 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:39,159 that's probably the most famous giant 115 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:43,810 Goliath in the Old Testament and not 116 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:45,610 just found in the Bible but in almost 117 00:06:52,769 --> 00:06:48,550 every culture throughout the world Irish 118 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:52,779 culture German culture Native American 119 00:06:58,529 --> 00:06:55,620 culture African culture these guys 120 00:07:00,269 --> 00:06:58,539 basically show up everywhere and it's 121 00:07:04,110 --> 00:07:00,279 funny that you made the UFO connection 122 00:07:05,969 --> 00:07:04,120 because people like Zakaria stitch in 123 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:05,979 and Erich von Daniken who do you stuff 124 00:07:11,010 --> 00:07:08,590 with ancient astronaut theory both of 125 00:07:13,170 --> 00:07:11,020 them have kind of presented the Giants 126 00:07:14,990 --> 00:07:13,180 with UFOs I thought my own personal 127 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:15,000 opinion I think I just you know 128 00:07:20,909 --> 00:07:18,969 oversized human beings but I do accept a 129 00:07:23,459 --> 00:07:20,919 lot of aspects of you know their their 130 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:23,469 ancient astronaut theory but they sit 131 00:07:28,110 --> 00:07:25,090 stitching for example or the whole book 132 00:07:30,119 --> 00:07:28,120 there were giants on the earth talking 133 00:07:32,189 --> 00:07:30,129 about basically connecting the Anunnaki 134 00:07:34,499 --> 00:07:32,199 and ancient UFOs and saying that they 135 00:07:36,119 --> 00:07:34,509 visited humanity from time to time and 136 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:36,129 some people are taking that further and 137 00:07:41,339 --> 00:07:38,590 say you know these types of beings are 138 00:07:44,430 --> 00:07:41,349 still visiting humans hey what you 139 00:07:45,869 --> 00:07:44,440 mentioned we seem to indicate and I 140 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:45,879 don't think I've ever asked anybody in 141 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:48,849 this question before but are all giants 142 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:52,089 men no no certainly not 143 00:07:57,780 --> 00:07:54,970 so an Irish tradition actually 144 00:07:59,879 --> 00:07:57,790 and there's a there's a scholar Savion 145 00:08:03,090 --> 00:07:59,889 Hayes who's written about this one of 146 00:08:05,730 --> 00:08:03,100 the Giants is a woman eight or nine foot 147 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:05,740 tall and she's like a pretty nice giant 148 00:08:12,570 --> 00:08:08,050 but she's a warrior that's an Irish 149 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:12,580 folklore so also in what we have 150 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:16,090 uncovered in North America with some of 151 00:08:21,390 --> 00:08:18,160 the excavations that were done in the 152 00:08:23,610 --> 00:08:21,400 19th early 20th century oftentimes you 153 00:08:26,430 --> 00:08:23,620 find giants together male and female 154 00:08:27,719 --> 00:08:26,440 buried together so definitely not just 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:27,729 one genders he could have been a whole 156 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:31,090 race of giants who once populated the 157 00:08:38,010 --> 00:08:33,330 continent but mysteriously disappeared 158 00:08:40,110 --> 00:08:38,020 well you say race are they a separate 159 00:08:43,649 --> 00:08:40,120 racer are they just people that are tall 160 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:43,659 I mean I met a fellow down and I believe 161 00:08:48,630 --> 00:08:46,810 he used to live in Red Bank and in one 162 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:48,640 time he was in the you know Guinness 163 00:08:53,579 --> 00:08:51,600 Book of Records as being the tallest 164 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:53,589 person and I I can't remember exactly 165 00:08:58,769 --> 00:08:56,110 how tall he was but certainly over 12 166 00:09:02,220 --> 00:08:58,779 feet I think that would make him a human 167 00:09:03,930 --> 00:09:02,230 oddity but he wasn't they a member of a 168 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:03,940 different race I mean are we talking 169 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:05,860 about a different race or just very 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:08,890 large individuals well there's some 171 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:11,050 debate about that because other certain 172 00:09:16,829 --> 00:09:14,050 uh speakers certain researchers like 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:16,839 Andrew Collins hope I don't misquote in 174 00:09:22,050 --> 00:09:20,050 here Andrew give me if I do but he would 175 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:22,060 say you know this was a distinct race of 176 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:24,790 distinct species with amongst human 177 00:09:29,579 --> 00:09:27,820 beings but distinct from from what human 178 00:09:33,390 --> 00:09:29,589 beings are now your your common homo 179 00:09:36,060 --> 00:09:33,400 sapien but others would say and i think 180 00:09:38,220 --> 00:09:36,070 this is the opinion that i fall under 181 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:38,230 that if the Giants were a different race 182 00:09:43,050 --> 00:09:40,450 there were certainly at some point 183 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:43,060 intermixing between these these this 184 00:09:48,269 --> 00:09:45,010 race of giants it's lost race of giants 185 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:48,279 and human beings and that accounts 186 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:50,290 especially if you look at the oral 187 00:09:54,300 --> 00:09:51,670 traditions of certain cultures for 188 00:09:57,150 --> 00:09:54,310 example Native American culture this 189 00:09:58,980 --> 00:09:57,160 accounts for you know them having Giants 190 00:10:04,140 --> 00:09:58,990 they talk about in their ancestry and 191 00:10:06,930 --> 00:10:04,150 for modern implications the why you have 192 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:06,940 people who are so tall within certain 193 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:08,410 cultures I think that comes from 194 00:10:13,020 --> 00:10:10,740 it's a cleaning of normal human beings 195 00:10:17,580 --> 00:10:13,030 with these Giants when they were 196 00:10:19,890 --> 00:10:17,590 separate race or a higher a more evolved 197 00:10:21,930 --> 00:10:19,900 or more powerful group of opinion beings 198 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:21,940 it comes through this kind of genetic 199 00:10:29,430 --> 00:10:25,050 intermixing that me said well now your 200 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:29,440 background is in theology is it not oh 201 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:35,590 yes yes so yeah tell us about the 202 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:40,420 genesis where the race of I guess Giants 203 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:43,090 came down and they found earth women so 204 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:45,490 fair and attractive that they decided to 205 00:10:50,750 --> 00:10:49,210 take them as their mates yeah that's a 206 00:10:53,340 --> 00:10:50,760 really that's a great example 207 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:53,350 like I said well usually people with the 208 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:54,970 Old Testament immediately go to Goliath 209 00:10:59,550 --> 00:10:57,280 but these charts inventions out the 210 00:11:02,190 --> 00:10:59,560 biblical witness so in Genesis 6 which 211 00:11:04,380 --> 00:11:02,200 is the beginning of the Noah story you 212 00:11:06,990 --> 00:11:04,390 have what are called the Nephilim who 213 00:11:08,730 --> 00:11:07,000 come down and intermarry with the 214 00:11:12,210 --> 00:11:08,740 daughters of men so they seem to be a 215 00:11:15,990 --> 00:11:12,220 distinct group from human beings there 216 00:11:20,100 --> 00:11:16,000 so the term for human being is or the 217 00:11:24,030 --> 00:11:20,110 daughters of men Bonet además I mean 218 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:24,040 excuse me Barnea Dom so excuse but no 219 00:11:30,030 --> 00:11:27,790 Dom my Ebru remember my Hebrew here but 220 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:30,040 no a Dom so the daughters of men and 221 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:32,800 they integrate with these Bonet Elohim 222 00:11:37,890 --> 00:11:34,450 the sons of God so they seem to be two 223 00:11:39,630 --> 00:11:37,900 distinct races they're an stitchin was 224 00:11:41,790 --> 00:11:39,640 really and spawned on akin to some 225 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:41,800 extent still really grasped all of this 226 00:11:46,830 --> 00:11:43,360 saying it's a methyl League because the 227 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:46,840 terribly n--'s fallen from the hebrew 228 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:48,850 'no fall that these are referred to you 229 00:11:52,260 --> 00:11:51,040 are extraterrestrial beings who have 230 00:11:55,350 --> 00:11:52,270 fallen from the heavens 231 00:11:58,350 --> 00:11:55,360 not necessarily the position I take when 232 00:12:01,530 --> 00:11:58,360 I look at the word in a fall that seems 233 00:12:03,540 --> 00:12:01,540 to me to refer to a fallen civilization 234 00:12:06,110 --> 00:12:03,550 so some type of great great great 235 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:06,120 civilization in the past that had fallen 236 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:09,490 and that was before the flood into 237 00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:11,710 mixing of human beings and there's even 238 00:12:17,970 --> 00:12:14,380 a tradition that Noah was one of kind of 239 00:12:20,010 --> 00:12:17,980 the offspring of these giant human 240 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:20,020 intermixing and that's how you have 241 00:12:24,570 --> 00:12:22,150 giant people of giant statue 242 00:12:26,930 --> 00:12:24,580 to the earth after the flood according 243 00:12:32,090 --> 00:12:26,940 to according to the biblical narrative 244 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:32,100 okay so the there are giants among us I 245 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:34,900 don't think that there are that's a 246 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:35,770 really good question I don't know if 247 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:37,500 they're Giants among us anymore 248 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:39,610 especially in North America they seem to 249 00:12:45,690 --> 00:12:43,090 have at least as an empire as a group 250 00:12:48,420 --> 00:12:45,700 have died off but I think that their 251 00:12:50,460 --> 00:12:48,430 cultural legacy and he mentioned eggs to 252 00:12:53,460 --> 00:12:50,470 some extent when you mentioned this in 253 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:53,470 another podcast I did when you look at 254 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:55,810 some of the Native American people some 255 00:12:58,920 --> 00:12:57,130 of them are the tallest people in the 256 00:13:00,810 --> 00:12:58,930 world so I think their cultural 257 00:13:03,090 --> 00:13:00,820 influence even their genetic influence 258 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:03,100 lives on in certain groups of people not 259 00:13:06,990 --> 00:13:05,290 just in North America but also around 260 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:07,000 the world where you have in certain 261 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:09,610 cultures people of tall stature but the 262 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:12,250 Giants themselves they're long gone I 263 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:16,000 think it's just my view they're living 264 00:13:21,570 --> 00:13:19,150 under they be living underground I don't 265 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:21,580 I don't know I don't think so you know I 266 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:24,370 think they honestly think that they wipe 267 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:27,340 themselves out if you look at so for 268 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:29,920 examples certain cultures in North 269 00:13:35,370 --> 00:13:33,010 America ancient cultures such as the 270 00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:35,380 Hopewell the Idina who most people would 271 00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:37,060 say these were gigantic persons people 272 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:40,750 of tall stature eventually they wiped by 273 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:44,710 the by the 6th century CE II they had 274 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:46,660 kind of wiped each other out through 275 00:13:50,490 --> 00:13:48,310 through war and bloodshed and this is a 276 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:50,500 common theme that we get from biblical 277 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:52,930 times of the Giants being kind of 278 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:55,450 bloodthirsty warlike and they basically 279 00:13:59,670 --> 00:13:57,970 wipe themselves out your own violence 280 00:14:02,490 --> 00:13:59,680 but a lot of they're like I said a lot 281 00:14:03,330 --> 00:14:02,500 of the culture and cultural legacy and 282 00:14:07,110 --> 00:14:03,340 the genetics 283 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:07,120 still exist well ok now when we say 284 00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:10,030 Giants what is your definition of a 285 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:14,230 giant what do you have to be in order to 286 00:14:20,190 --> 00:14:17,350 be considered one of them that's a great 287 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:20,200 question so I always like to point this 288 00:14:25,140 --> 00:14:22,210 out because I'm only I'm only 5'4 too 289 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:25,150 which is kind of ironic for me looking 290 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:27,370 at for someone like me looking at Giants 291 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:31,780 but for most of human history I'm 292 00:14:35,759 --> 00:14:34,570 considered short now you know when I was 293 00:14:37,079 --> 00:14:35,769 in the dating scene of emergency 294 00:14:40,439 --> 00:14:37,089 years never when I was on a dating sync 295 00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:40,449 you will be like oh you're short guy and 296 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:42,429 that's kind of looked down on now but 297 00:14:47,549 --> 00:14:44,860 yeah 200 years ago I would have been of 298 00:14:49,229 --> 00:14:47,559 average height so a lot of people like 299 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:49,239 the founding fathers Thomas Jefferson 300 00:14:54,989 --> 00:14:52,689 and he visit their homes their beds were 301 00:14:59,429 --> 00:14:54,999 you know smaller than I were smaller 302 00:15:01,499 --> 00:14:59,439 than I am so that was average height so 303 00:15:05,999 --> 00:15:01,509 human beings you know the 6-foot tall 304 00:15:07,499 --> 00:15:06,009 human the 6 foot tall person is really 305 00:15:09,119 --> 00:15:07,509 kind of something that's kind of new 306 00:15:11,789 --> 00:15:09,129 that's emerged in the 20 in 19th and 307 00:15:14,579 --> 00:15:11,799 20th centuries with advances to health 308 00:15:26,689 --> 00:15:14,589 and longevity and stuff like that but 309 00:15:30,179 --> 00:15:26,699 nonetheless even in biblical times I 310 00:15:32,419 --> 00:15:30,189 teach school so sometimes at the end of 311 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:32,429 the day I can end up losing my voice but 312 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:36,730 even in biblical times collide someone 313 00:15:42,749 --> 00:15:40,089 like alive is said to be like three or 314 00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,759 four cubits which would be around 19 so 315 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:45,279 even in ancient times these are people 316 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:47,290 who would have been tall even by our 317 00:15:52,259 --> 00:15:49,540 standards and certainly would have 318 00:15:55,230 --> 00:15:52,269 looked like you know monsters or worse 319 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:55,240 or super gigantic beings in the ancient 320 00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:57,850 world but even by our standards the 321 00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:01,360 smallest of them probably about 7 feet 322 00:16:05,609 --> 00:16:03,939 which is still very tall and then we 323 00:16:08,429 --> 00:16:05,619 have traditions that you know have 324 00:16:13,949 --> 00:16:08,439 giants going as tall as 18 feet in some 325 00:16:16,699 --> 00:16:13,959 in some cultures that's that's a tall 326 00:16:19,079 --> 00:16:16,709 dude yes yes any any any other 327 00:16:22,259 --> 00:16:19,089 characteristics that they would have 328 00:16:25,530 --> 00:16:22,269 that would make them stand out in public 329 00:16:28,199 --> 00:16:25,540 Oh a Japan so he have it seems that 330 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:28,209 there are different species of giants 331 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:29,889 within themselves you mentioned earlier 332 00:16:37,499 --> 00:16:36,160 about their race but some giants they 333 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:37,509 didn't really look that different from 334 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:40,809 us as modern normal humans they're just 335 00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:44,110 much taller other giants seem to have 336 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:48,160 had significant differences so a lot of 337 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:49,570 in a lot of 338 00:16:54,570 --> 00:16:52,750 Native American cultures there's trying 339 00:16:57,150 --> 00:16:54,580 to shine skeletal remains that were 340 00:16:59,730 --> 00:16:57,160 found in the 19th and early 20th century 341 00:17:04,350 --> 00:16:59,740 or the skull was a long period so it was 342 00:17:06,990 --> 00:17:04,360 a larger cranium and so people have 343 00:17:10,140 --> 00:17:07,000 speculated that you know this larger 344 00:17:12,350 --> 00:17:10,150 cranium was used might have possessed 345 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:12,360 like it's kind of like a psychic ability 346 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:16,329 that that these are giants had and that 347 00:17:20,819 --> 00:17:18,970 was how they were able this kind of gets 348 00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,829 to you you know without type of 349 00:17:23,579 --> 00:17:22,480 mythology business tell hedge and stuff 350 00:17:26,010 --> 00:17:23,589 like that with the Druids how they were 351 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:26,020 able to levitate things and really build 352 00:17:32,550 --> 00:17:30,130 these abilities amazing buildings and 353 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:32,560 TVs architectural feats who's that kind 354 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:37,510 of a psychic psychic energy so there 355 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:39,250 were four some of the Giants really 356 00:17:46,730 --> 00:17:43,270 distinct differences now why has there 357 00:17:49,260 --> 00:17:46,740 been such an attempt by the 358 00:17:52,380 --> 00:17:49,270 archaeological and scientific community 359 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:52,390 to hush up the fact that there might 360 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:55,810 have been giants on the earth at the at 361 00:17:59,640 --> 00:17:58,210 one time I mean it seems the few 362 00:18:02,420 --> 00:17:59,650 articles that I've read on the other 363 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:02,430 subject I mean it just seems that 364 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:06,430 there's been an attempt to poopoo the 365 00:18:13,050 --> 00:18:08,830 the idea that there might have been a 366 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:13,060 taller of beings here yeah I think I 367 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:16,330 think academia has largely wanted to 368 00:18:22,470 --> 00:18:19,470 relegate Giants to the status of myth 369 00:18:24,330 --> 00:18:22,480 and just folklore of the people so from 370 00:18:26,370 --> 00:18:24,340 like an anthropological sociological 371 00:18:29,490 --> 00:18:26,380 standpoint these are nothing more than 372 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:29,500 tall tales now the North American 373 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:31,120 skeletal remains that have been found 374 00:18:37,230 --> 00:18:33,730 kind of disproved that and make it very 375 00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:37,240 very clear that some group of giants 376 00:18:43,650 --> 00:18:40,720 existed in the ancient in the ancient 377 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:43,660 past in pre-columbian America I think 378 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:46,210 more specifically when you get to North 379 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:48,130 America I think there's several agendas 380 00:18:53,310 --> 00:18:50,980 going on there people want to kind of 381 00:18:56,460 --> 00:18:53,320 you know relegate Giants again to the 382 00:18:59,580 --> 00:18:56,470 status of mythology because it's 383 00:19:01,400 --> 00:18:59,590 threatening on several levels I talked 384 00:19:03,419 --> 00:19:01,410 about this in the earlier podcast that 385 00:19:06,169 --> 00:19:03,429 that I was on but 386 00:19:08,129 --> 00:19:06,179 basically the history of American 387 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:08,139 anthropology the history of American 388 00:19:12,899 --> 00:19:10,690 archeology was one that really didn't 389 00:19:15,599 --> 00:19:12,909 want to see any type of culture in 390 00:19:20,129 --> 00:19:15,609 America until the arrival of Columbus 391 00:19:22,049 --> 00:19:20,139 and the Europeans after him so any any 392 00:19:24,450 --> 00:19:22,059 evidence for that which the North 393 00:19:27,659 --> 00:19:24,460 American Giants and their skeletal 394 00:19:31,469 --> 00:19:27,669 remains would provide was kind of was 395 00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:31,479 kind of hushed up because if you know if 396 00:19:33,989 --> 00:19:32,799 you acknowledge that you have to 397 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:33,999 acknowledge that the people here the 398 00:19:37,859 --> 00:19:36,129 Native Americans had some type of 399 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:37,869 culture by some type of grandiose 400 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:41,710 culture before before Columbus came I 401 00:19:48,509 --> 00:19:44,529 also think that at least in the early 402 00:19:53,310 --> 00:19:48,519 stages of America when people were still 403 00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:53,320 very religious the idea that there were 404 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:56,190 giants possibly from another realm 405 00:20:00,180 --> 00:19:58,210 excuse me from another region of the 406 00:20:05,430 --> 00:20:00,190 world kind of supporting a guy 407 00:20:08,249 --> 00:20:05,440 creationist model of ancient America was 408 00:20:11,639 --> 00:20:08,259 frowned upon because that would have 409 00:20:12,749 --> 00:20:11,649 kind of coincide with certain religious 410 00:20:14,759 --> 00:20:12,759 beliefs that weren't popular at the time 411 00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,769 such as Mormonism since Mormonism 412 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:17,679 believes that there was a group of 413 00:20:21,180 --> 00:20:19,690 people who came from the Near East to 414 00:20:24,299 --> 00:20:21,190 America and the Giants are kind of 415 00:20:29,700 --> 00:20:24,309 example of a diffusion model similar to 416 00:20:31,499 --> 00:20:29,710 that and oh okay so now do they they 417 00:20:34,019 --> 00:20:31,509 still believe that today I mean do they 418 00:20:38,129 --> 00:20:34,029 accept the concept that there might be 419 00:20:41,129 --> 00:20:38,139 giants still here well is there a 420 00:20:45,049 --> 00:20:41,139 particular date that the the Giants 421 00:20:48,889 --> 00:20:45,059 might have been wiped out I think so 422 00:20:50,669 --> 00:20:48,899 when people are so American 423 00:20:52,499 --> 00:20:50,679 archeologists not necessarily those 424 00:20:55,289 --> 00:20:52,509 within the mainstream but kind of do 425 00:20:57,450 --> 00:20:55,299 their own thing again they would point 426 00:21:01,560 --> 00:20:57,460 to such cultures like the Hopewell me 427 00:21:04,529 --> 00:21:01,570 Edina and we know from archaeological 428 00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:04,539 evidence and basically carbon dating and 429 00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:05,859 the oral traditions of the Native 430 00:21:13,409 --> 00:21:07,629 Americans that their culture died out 431 00:21:16,410 --> 00:21:13,419 around 500 CE so there really aren't and 432 00:21:18,450 --> 00:21:16,420 so we really don't get 433 00:21:21,060 --> 00:21:18,460 the remains that we get really don't 434 00:21:23,100 --> 00:21:21,070 date don't appear to date until you know 435 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:23,110 they don't appear to date after that 436 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:24,910 time period so everything seems to be 437 00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,450 cut off around 500 to seee and again my 438 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:30,400 speculation I think other scholars would 439 00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:32,410 agree that the Giants basically there 440 00:21:38,490 --> 00:21:34,960 was some type of massive battle and as 441 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:38,500 Giants just killed themselves off where 442 00:21:42,900 --> 00:21:40,060 would this battle have been I mean it 443 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:42,910 seems a kind of peculiar that there 444 00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,750 would be a battle all over the the earth 445 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:48,640 at the same time yeah I don't know we 446 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:50,830 phrased yeah yeah I'll probably phrase 447 00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:53,830 this oh okay this your your left you're 448 00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,040 allowed twice on the show yeah so I 449 00:22:02,750 --> 00:21:59,440 think I mean this is something that 450 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:02,760 scholars speculate I mean on the ground 451 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:05,230 the culture just seems to have just 452 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:07,540 disappear and just all just stopped by 453 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:11,890 500 by 500 CEO 500 AD it just appears to 454 00:22:17,540 --> 00:22:14,590 have stopped and we we can we speculate 455 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:17,550 researchers speculate as to why that is 456 00:22:25,170 --> 00:22:23,350 now we have there's evidence for Giants 457 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:25,180 and there's evidence for interconnected 458 00:22:32,370 --> 00:22:28,450 empire of giants throughout North 459 00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:32,380 America so scholars have speculated that 460 00:22:37,260 --> 00:22:34,870 there wasn't perhaps just one battle but 461 00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,270 maybe multiple battles in different 462 00:22:41,700 --> 00:22:39,760 regions and the giant the giant Empire 463 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:41,710 is just kind of you know collapsed maybe 464 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,050 not they don't control them they fought 465 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:46,960 among themselves possibly among 466 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:50,590 themselves or the indigenous people 467 00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:52,630 probably might have risen up against 468 00:23:00,420 --> 00:22:58,090 them and and conquered them so there's a 469 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:00,430 tradition amongst the Native Americans 470 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:03,640 in Nevada and stuff that there was a 471 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:05,430 group of giant Steeler cannibals 472 00:23:09,690 --> 00:23:07,810 red-haired Giants who were cannibals and 473 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:09,700 the Native Americans got sick of this 474 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:11,950 and said that the tribes over there got 475 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:14,410 sick of this and said we can't deal with 476 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:15,730 we can't deal with you guys anyway so 477 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:18,820 they rose up and according to the whole 478 00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:20,530 traditions overthrew the Giants and 479 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:21,640 that's why the Giants aren't here 480 00:23:24,540 --> 00:23:23,260 anymore so it might have been you know a 481 00:23:26,670 --> 00:23:24,550 revolution that brought down their 482 00:23:29,130 --> 00:23:26,680 empire or it could have been in fighting 483 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:29,140 but we know that 484 00:23:36,750 --> 00:23:31,570 ever happened it was abrupt it happened 485 00:23:39,060 --> 00:23:36,760 fast and between 500 Cee and 600 Cee no 486 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:39,070 more Giants well that we should give 487 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,690 that a resulting fee fie foe fum I would 488 00:23:48,330 --> 00:23:45,760 say I have sacked after the commercial 489 00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:48,340 we've got to ask you a commercial break 490 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:49,840 we gotta ask you where where the heck 491 00:23:55,530 --> 00:23:52,900 did that Jack the Beanstalk come from I 492 00:23:59,310 --> 00:23:55,540 should don't wanna know that I would be 493 00:24:01,560 --> 00:23:59,320 very curious to know that yes here we're 494 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:01,570 on our first plane and we'll be right 495 00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:14,920 back giant Fedor now back to exploring 496 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:17,740 the bazaar with two of the most 497 00:24:23,910 --> 00:24:20,110 electrifying researchers in the Paranoid 498 00:24:28,830 --> 00:24:23,920 your hosts timothy beckoning and king's 499 00:24:31,410 --> 00:24:28,840 lists welcome back to exploring the 500 00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:31,420 bazaar I'm Tim Schwartz tonight we're 501 00:24:40,530 --> 00:24:36,400 talking with Adam Stokes and Giants so 502 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:40,540 Adam I live here in southern Indiana and 503 00:24:49,410 --> 00:24:45,570 in Indiana has a very rich tradition of 504 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:49,420 Native American mounds and other types 505 00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:52,960 of structures and especially in the 19th 506 00:25:00,860 --> 00:24:58,110 century there were a lot of you know 507 00:25:03,050 --> 00:25:00,870 sometimes you know a credit 508 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:03,060 archaeologist going through these 509 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:07,290 structures and sometimes amateurs but 510 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,190 lots of old newspaper reports lots of 511 00:25:19,460 --> 00:25:14,640 accredited archaeological journals 512 00:25:23,250 --> 00:25:19,470 talking about these giant bones being 513 00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:23,260 uncovered and some of these articles 514 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:26,910 even stating that the bones were then 515 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:29,770 you know after they were very carefully 516 00:25:36,350 --> 00:25:33,370 categorized sent to the Smithsonian in 517 00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:36,360 Washington yet now the Smithsonian 518 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:40,480 adamantly denies that they have anything 519 00:25:46,650 --> 00:25:42,970 like that in their collection or the 520 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:46,660 - or even that they never had anything 521 00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:48,490 like that that that all of these 522 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,140 newspaper reports all of these old 523 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:54,970 accredited journals were nothing but 524 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:55,890 hoaxes 525 00:26:02,340 --> 00:25:59,290 yeah the Smithsonian they have a really 526 00:26:04,590 --> 00:26:02,350 kind of funky relationship with this 527 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:04,600 whole issue of giants in in ancient 528 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:09,430 America so as you said quite correctly 529 00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:12,490 when these things when these skeletal 530 00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:14,140 remains start being found in the mid 531 00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,150 nineteenth century up until the early 532 00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:18,880 20th century people are asking their you 533 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:20,080 know congressmen what do you do with 534 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:22,210 them and the congressman asked the 535 00:26:26,340 --> 00:26:23,650 government the government says oh send 536 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:26,350 him to Smithsonian like he said a lot of 537 00:26:33,150 --> 00:26:30,570 these skeletal remains are never found 538 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:33,160 again it's interesting because on 539 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:36,760 several occasions in recent history by 540 00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:39,990 recent I mean past 30 or so years 541 00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:43,960 Smithsonian has actually done excavation 542 00:26:48,150 --> 00:26:45,910 where they found Giants in the late 70s 543 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:48,160 and 80s and then there was an even 544 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:50,290 article I think in National Geographic 545 00:26:56,270 --> 00:26:54,130 around 1985 mourn Giants but then it 546 00:26:59,010 --> 00:26:56,280 kind of you know died down after that 547 00:27:02,930 --> 00:26:59,020 and I think a lot of that has to do with 548 00:27:06,690 --> 00:27:02,940 again Giants not fitting into the 549 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:06,700 accepted narrative of how how America 550 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:09,850 was especially pre-columbian times I 551 00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:13,210 think the Smithsonian deliberately I 552 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:17,680 think wanted to see basically American 553 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:19,030 history is beginning you know with 554 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:21,310 Columbus and after and afterwards and 555 00:27:26,670 --> 00:27:24,370 before then just want to establish a 556 00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:26,680 view that America and the people its 557 00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:28,510 inhabitants were very primitive they had 558 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:31,390 no culture that civilization and again 559 00:27:34,650 --> 00:27:33,370 the Giants you know these skeletal 560 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:34,660 remains being found at these massive 561 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:35,590 earthworks 562 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:37,810 with all of you know the the 563 00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:39,130 architectural feasts that these 564 00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:41,260 earthworks are and the culture that they 565 00:27:46,650 --> 00:27:44,980 exhibit was kind of a threat to that 566 00:27:49,470 --> 00:27:46,660 view and again after remember the 567 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:49,480 historical context here 19th century 568 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:50,650 where you know the United States 569 00:27:53,499 --> 00:27:52,330 government is basically fighting with 570 00:28:00,820 --> 00:27:53,509 the Indian 571 00:28:02,589 --> 00:28:00,830 land so the Smithsonian is doing its 572 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:02,599 part to kind of you know property of 573 00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:04,460 view that you know these Native 574 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Americans didn't have you know never 575 00:28:10,419 --> 00:28:07,970 have really any culture their 576 00:28:12,099 --> 00:28:10,429 predecessors never had any culture so 577 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:12,109 this justifies you know dehumanizing 578 00:28:17,049 --> 00:28:14,119 Native American means that you know 579 00:28:19,509 --> 00:28:17,059 makes it easier for them to get to get 580 00:28:20,919 --> 00:28:19,519 the land so there was that kind of 19th 581 00:28:23,859 --> 00:28:20,929 century context going on here 582 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:23,869 unfortunately I will say this it's 583 00:28:29,289 --> 00:28:26,749 gotten kind of better but you still kind 584 00:28:35,619 --> 00:28:29,299 of have that view of you know pre-k pre 585 00:28:37,450 --> 00:28:35,629 columbian pre 1492 civilization as just 586 00:28:39,639 --> 00:28:37,460 primitive and having you know extremely 587 00:28:42,729 --> 00:28:39,649 primitive and having no type of culture 588 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:42,739 at all but I think that you know a lot 589 00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:44,090 of researchers especially in the kind of 590 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:45,700 research has been pushing back on that 591 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:48,169 I'm back on that lately and you know 592 00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:49,340 we'll see where it goes you know in the 593 00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:53,720 next 20 years or so and now the some of 594 00:29:02,919 --> 00:28:59,840 the Native Americans who traveled across 595 00:29:04,899 --> 00:29:02,929 the country and and there's one tribe in 596 00:29:07,239 --> 00:29:04,909 particular I unfortunately I can't 597 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:07,249 remember they're there their name and 598 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:11,570 they they their their lore goes back as 599 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:14,809 far as them even remembering coming 600 00:29:22,029 --> 00:29:18,409 across the the Bering Straits into North 601 00:29:24,369 --> 00:29:22,039 America but at one point they said that 602 00:29:27,509 --> 00:29:24,379 when they reached the what's now known 603 00:29:31,259 --> 00:29:27,519 as the Mississippi they found that 604 00:29:35,259 --> 00:29:31,269 Illinois and Indiana and Kentucky were 605 00:29:38,489 --> 00:29:35,269 filled with with giants and that that 606 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:38,499 they had their own civilization they had 607 00:29:44,619 --> 00:29:42,590 big you know very well built structures 608 00:29:48,129 --> 00:29:44,629 and these and these giants weren't 609 00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:48,139 weren't too happy that these tribes were 610 00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:49,940 we're trying to make their way through 611 00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:52,759 and eventually I guess that they had a 612 00:29:59,739 --> 00:29:55,340 pretty big battle of what's now around 613 00:30:01,329 --> 00:29:59,749 the Falls of the Ohio yeah and again you 614 00:30:04,629 --> 00:30:01,339 know back in the 19th century there were 615 00:30:06,010 --> 00:30:04,639 a lot of bones discovered especially 616 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:06,020 when the Ohio River 617 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:09,700 would would flood so now are there other 618 00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:12,230 are there other tribes across the 619 00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:13,910 country you know especially I suppose 620 00:30:20,260 --> 00:30:17,300 you know out west that that have the 621 00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:20,270 same kind of legends well I think you'll 622 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:23,000 find across the border I mentioned the 623 00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:25,250 Native American tribes in the Nevada 624 00:30:28,300 --> 00:30:27,740 region and that goes into California as 625 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:28,310 well 626 00:30:34,660 --> 00:30:31,250 they all have these money them have 627 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,670 these traditions of interaction with 628 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:36,080 giants and when you look in the oil 629 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:37,850 history they talk about the earthen 630 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:40,250 mounds they'll be like no you know we 631 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:42,230 our people our tribes didn't necessarily 632 00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:44,330 build these mounds these come from the 633 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:47,960 people who came before us and something 634 00:30:52,330 --> 00:30:49,970 that she just said just now was really 635 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:52,340 profound the Native American traditions 636 00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:54,170 say you know our interaction with these 637 00:30:59,320 --> 00:30:56,960 giants was not positive the Giants like 638 00:31:01,390 --> 00:30:59,330 you said weren't very happy about this 639 00:31:04,450 --> 00:31:01,400 the Giants just seemed across the board 640 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:04,460 not just the Native American history but 641 00:31:11,530 --> 00:31:08,810 across the board Irish history German 642 00:31:14,650 --> 00:31:11,540 history Slavic history the biblical 643 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,660 Giants don't just they just don't seem 644 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:16,730 to you know be very very very nice 645 00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,130 people and they don't interact well you 646 00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:20,720 know with your with your average with 647 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:22,700 your normal human being and this is 648 00:31:29,290 --> 00:31:25,210 reflected in in the Native American 649 00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:29,300 Native American traditions and so I 650 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:30,860 think you know all those traditions 651 00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,010 people say ultimate ology its folklore 652 00:31:38,860 --> 00:31:36,080 but like you said the archaeological 653 00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,870 evidence seems to suggest that this that 654 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:40,640 something more is going on here that you 655 00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:42,950 know this does preserve of race family 656 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:45,760 of interactions with these with these 657 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:51,170 earlier inhabitants I think you made an 658 00:31:57,700 --> 00:31:54,230 interesting point in the previous 659 00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:57,710 segment of the program talking around 660 00:32:06,130 --> 00:32:00,800 the time when it seems like that at 661 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:06,140 least in North America where were the 662 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:09,250 the giant Co seemingly you know died out 663 00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,830 but and and you know we've we were able 664 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:14,960 to uncover you know quite a quite a few 665 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:16,970 bones you know like I said basically in 666 00:32:22,670 --> 00:32:19,770 19th and 20th century however 667 00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:22,680 you have the old legends you say like in 668 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:24,270 the Middle East and other parts of the 669 00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:27,990 world but there haven't been a lot of 670 00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:32,880 bones uncovered at least within recent 671 00:32:39,980 --> 00:32:37,380 history now do you see that do you think 672 00:32:43,450 --> 00:32:39,990 possibly there could have been a maybe a 673 00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,460 forced migration on their part where 674 00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:46,080 they eventually had been forced to move 675 00:32:51,650 --> 00:32:50,070 to North and South America because you 676 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:51,660 know people became more populated you 677 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:54,600 know yeah more people less them so this 678 00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:56,730 was this in South America was kind of 679 00:33:00,500 --> 00:32:59,010 like their last refuge yeah excellent 680 00:33:01,790 --> 00:33:00,510 question I think that's exact 681 00:33:04,610 --> 00:33:01,800 to some extent that's exactly what 682 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:04,620 happened I think you know in you know in 683 00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:08,130 Europe you know we have evidence that 684 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,470 the mounds in Ireland and stuff like 685 00:33:13,820 --> 00:33:12,000 that we have evidence of a great giant 686 00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:13,830 civilization there and I think you know 687 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:15,630 we have again this conflict between 688 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:17,850 giants and humans the giant space demons 689 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:21,270 off humans rose up or what whatever type 690 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,580 of conflict there was you know forced a 691 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:26,640 lot of you know these these guys to you 692 00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:29,310 know come over into the new world and 693 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:32,310 I've mentioned this in other in other 694 00:33:36,890 --> 00:33:35,250 kind in other places but I don't think 695 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:36,900 we're looking at when we talk about the 696 00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:39,840 North American giants just one massive 697 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:41,190 migration I think you know there's a 698 00:33:46,910 --> 00:33:43,650 several migrations that happen over the 699 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:46,920 course of hundreds of years if not if 700 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:50,820 not centuries it's interesting because I 701 00:33:58,820 --> 00:33:55,410 think that you still have traces of the 702 00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,830 Giants existing even into the Middle 703 00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:00,840 Ages so a lot of the medieval tales that 704 00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:05,640 you get in England in Germany the 705 00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:07,020 legends of Charlemagne and stuff they 706 00:34:10,430 --> 00:34:08,820 still talk about you know one or two 707 00:34:13,220 --> 00:34:10,440 giants still walking around still 708 00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:13,230 existing where the rest of the Giants 709 00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:16,200 well I think you know they're their 710 00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:18,929 relatives their descendants or I mean 711 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:20,340 their ancestors order their sentence 712 00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:22,230 they're over in a new world and that 713 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:24,990 accounts for you know the few giants 714 00:34:29,149 --> 00:34:27,090 that are still over in the old world so 715 00:34:32,859 --> 00:34:29,159 I think that's a really good question so 716 00:34:36,669 --> 00:34:32,869 now this of course is the speculation 717 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:36,679 do you think that the race of giants may 718 00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:43,929 have been say like an archaic species of 719 00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,839 you know of with maybe not even Homo 720 00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:49,839 sapiens but he you know even something 721 00:34:55,089 --> 00:34:52,339 say along the lines of the you know 722 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:55,099 Denisovans or something like that yeah 723 00:35:00,039 --> 00:34:56,450 kinda like what Andrew Collins suggests 724 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:00,049 yes absolutely yes absolutely so I don't 725 00:35:03,459 --> 00:35:01,910 put the extra-terrestrial label to them 726 00:35:04,959 --> 00:35:03,469 even though I'm a I'm a firm advocate of 727 00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:04,969 the you know ancient astronaut theory I 728 00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:07,160 absolutely that UFOs are still visiting 729 00:35:15,130 --> 00:35:11,599 us today so I have had at least two 730 00:35:18,219 --> 00:35:15,140 experiences one of which I'm certain was 731 00:35:21,549 --> 00:35:18,229 a UFO but not to not to get too far off 732 00:35:24,849 --> 00:35:21,559 topic but but yes I think we're looking 733 00:35:27,009 --> 00:35:24,859 at archaic species of human that died 734 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:27,019 out and again I think this goes back to 735 00:35:31,989 --> 00:35:29,569 the question that you asked earlier why 736 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,999 are why is nation academia so reluctant 737 00:35:35,019 --> 00:35:33,890 to address this well it really kind of 738 00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:35,029 throws a monkey wrench in your 739 00:35:40,329 --> 00:35:37,700 traditional idea of you know evolution 740 00:35:42,969 --> 00:35:40,339 of you know less uh less advanced 741 00:35:45,549 --> 00:35:42,979 species evolving to higher advanced 742 00:35:48,309 --> 00:35:45,559 species because if you have this archaic 743 00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:48,319 group that was powerful that was that 744 00:35:53,229 --> 00:35:50,599 was rich in culture that eventually died 745 00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:53,239 out and people some scholars such as 746 00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:54,710 Zimmerman say that these you no chance 747 00:36:00,370 --> 00:35:58,700 go back to you know paleo history then 748 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:00,380 you know that kind of you have to 749 00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:02,930 reevaluate what your concept of 750 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:04,569 evolution and human development is 751 00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:11,930 because of that so now and I'm trying 752 00:36:18,579 --> 00:36:14,420 I'm trying to think do you know offhand 753 00:36:23,049 --> 00:36:18,589 are there any does anybody have any 754 00:36:26,049 --> 00:36:23,059 actual bones still in I suppose that 755 00:36:27,969 --> 00:36:26,059 have to be private collections now yeah 756 00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:27,979 a lot of the stuff you're gonna find is 757 00:36:33,069 --> 00:36:29,900 really in private collections and 758 00:36:36,219 --> 00:36:33,079 interesting enough to not here in the 759 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:36,229 states you usually have to go to South 760 00:36:41,709 --> 00:36:39,410 America though there are private museums 761 00:36:46,220 --> 00:36:41,719 some great researchers in the Midwest 762 00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:46,230 who have who have 763 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,910 have her made some of these remains like 764 00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:49,440 I said a lot of them went to Smithsonian 765 00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:50,790 just like just disappeared 766 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:53,220 mm-hm but some people did keep them I 767 00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:55,410 know there was a documentary I looked at 768 00:37:02,840 --> 00:36:59,130 a couple years back la Marzulli did it 769 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:02,850 on Watchers his show watcher six where 770 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:04,290 he looks at kind of the UFO tradition 771 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:06,930 and the watchers in the Bible and he 772 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:09,450 found some private museums in Peru which 773 00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,000 still seem to have bones of gigantic 774 00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:14,820 skeletons so many of them are in private 775 00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:18,660 museums now I speculate the eveness for 776 00:37:22,910 --> 00:37:20,420 Sonia nearly claim that I'll have them I 777 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:22,920 speculate that they are somewhere in the 778 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:25,170 storage facility in a Smithsonian hmm 779 00:37:31,210 --> 00:37:28,410 well I mean it would just be fantastic 780 00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:31,220 if somebody would attempt to do 781 00:37:38,510 --> 00:37:35,340 considering how far we've come with DNA 782 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:38,520 analysis yeah well I mean the you know 783 00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,770 they're able to extract DNA from a just 784 00:37:49,609 --> 00:37:47,280 a tiny finger bone found in Siberia that 785 00:37:53,450 --> 00:37:49,619 identified that there so vien yeah 786 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:53,460 species so I mean I would love I mean it 787 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:55,290 would it be fantastic to know I mean 788 00:37:59,480 --> 00:37:57,330 we'd know one way or the other whether 789 00:38:02,990 --> 00:37:59,490 or not the Giants are actually or some 790 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:03,000 kind of you know archaic species of Homo 791 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:04,890 sapiens or something yes yes yeah 792 00:38:14,090 --> 00:38:06,510 kissing cousin or whether or not they 793 00:38:16,130 --> 00:38:14,100 were just big people yeah yeah I you had 794 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:16,140 there is photograph there's a lot of 795 00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:18,270 photographic evidence another researcher 796 00:38:22,700 --> 00:38:20,700 Richard Dewhurst whose book I reviewed a 797 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:22,710 few years back he gives a lot of 798 00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,570 pictorial evidence like you said there's 799 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:27,000 articles that have pictures in them but 800 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:31,290 actually finding a full-blooded giant 801 00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:33,690 skeleton that's been preserved now with 802 00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:34,920 everything that's happened over the past 803 00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,280 hundred fifty years is difficult but if 804 00:38:42,349 --> 00:38:40,560 if that was possible then yeah I think 805 00:38:44,540 --> 00:38:42,359 you know with the modern technology we 806 00:38:46,190 --> 00:38:44,550 have it could really inform us as to you 807 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:46,200 know just what their identity is and 808 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:47,369 also where they came from 809 00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:51,930 mm-hmm so what's uh what's next I mean 810 00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:56,700 you know what what can be done to to 811 00:39:01,460 --> 00:38:58,920 further this idea 812 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:01,470 at that that Giants actually existed 813 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:03,930 that they weren't just you know the 814 00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:06,569 creation of fairy tales that that this 815 00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,000 was something that was real and really 816 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,700 needs to be seriously studied well I 817 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:13,680 think you know as we just talked about 818 00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:17,490 how the skeletal remains stuff has 819 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:19,140 happened to them they're not here 820 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:19,770 anymore 821 00:39:26,180 --> 00:39:23,849 but I think that we can still do 822 00:39:28,819 --> 00:39:26,190 research on the Giants by looking at the 823 00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:28,829 culture that they left behind the bounds 824 00:39:32,809 --> 00:39:31,680 of the Giants bills still exist many of 825 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:32,819 them have been bulldozed to the ground 826 00:39:36,859 --> 00:39:34,140 but II think were destroyed both 827 00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:36,869 deliberately and by accident but a lot 828 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:38,790 of them you know still exist separate 829 00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:41,730 now still exist Robyn's mound still 830 00:39:46,789 --> 00:39:44,670 exists a lot of these mounds still exist 831 00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:46,799 in allows them have been excavated and 832 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:49,380 we found cultural items which inform us 833 00:39:54,799 --> 00:39:52,410 about the world of the Giants about 834 00:39:56,839 --> 00:39:54,809 these ancient people who lived here on 835 00:40:00,079 --> 00:39:56,849 the North American continent hundreds 836 00:40:01,849 --> 00:40:00,089 and thousands of years ago so I think 837 00:40:03,859 --> 00:40:01,859 you know even if we don't have the bones 838 00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,869 we still have the culture the jobs and 839 00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,480 that can inform us about you know who 840 00:40:10,099 --> 00:40:09,180 they were and perhaps also that I 841 00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:10,109 believe actually believe is very 842 00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:13,140 strongly where they came from so a lot 843 00:40:19,130 --> 00:40:16,140 of the cultural artifacts that were 844 00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:19,140 found as these mounds with these giant 845 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:21,150 skeletal remains a lot of them have 846 00:40:25,730 --> 00:40:24,450 semitic features and suggesting that 847 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:25,740 they came from somewhere in the Middle 848 00:40:34,549 --> 00:40:32,490 East and possibly Egyptian all right now 849 00:40:36,140 --> 00:40:34,559 that's you you you read my mind because 850 00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:36,150 that that was the direction I was going 851 00:40:40,339 --> 00:40:37,740 to go with my next question you know 852 00:40:43,099 --> 00:40:40,349 considering that what was it like the 853 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:43,109 artifacts found was at the bat bat cave 854 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:46,170 Tennessee exactly stones yes that Creek 855 00:40:50,660 --> 00:40:48,089 stone right right something like that a 856 00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:50,670 lot of these artifacts that seem to 857 00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:54,420 point to a Middle East origin strangely 858 00:40:59,900 --> 00:40:56,940 enough are also around the same areas 859 00:41:04,359 --> 00:40:59,910 where a lot of these giant bones were 860 00:41:07,099 --> 00:41:04,369 found so so I mean do you think that 861 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:07,109 after at the time that that these 862 00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:09,330 artifacts seemed to have been 863 00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:12,180 dated back to which you know I can't 864 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:15,150 remember now at least what 2,000 BCE or 865 00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:17,310 so you know something along those lines 866 00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:20,820 I mean do you are are you seen this 867 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:23,480 could possibly be one of the major 868 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:27,120 migrations for whatever reason coming 869 00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:29,850 over to North and South America yes 870 00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,150 absolutely I think that you know the the 871 00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:35,160 inscriptions that we find the Semitic 872 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:37,350 inscriptions that we find are clear 873 00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:41,900 evidence of diffusion of a microwave 874 00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:45,000 group across a transatlantic crossing of 875 00:41:49,850 --> 00:41:47,400 one group from the old world to the new 876 00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:49,860 world and again I think you know this is 877 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:51,720 problematic formation scholars go on 878 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:53,190 with the you know the Clovis model the 879 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:54,930 migration is view over the diffusion 880 00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:57,690 this review because you know that puts 881 00:42:01,640 --> 00:41:59,910 off that puts a whole wrench into that 882 00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:01,650 but I think you're gonna have some very 883 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:03,360 strong evidence to submit conscription 884 00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:05,490 czar very strong evidence and mainstream 885 00:42:11,180 --> 00:42:09,420 scholars have you know you point to that 886 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:11,190 you know they'll say oh these are just 887 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:13,530 these are just a hoax but when you look 888 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:15,210 at the extrinsic inscriptions closely 889 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:16,710 and my background you know isn't 890 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:19,080 Biblical Hebrew and in ancient languages 891 00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:20,250 when you look at the inscriptions 892 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:23,640 closely and you just take into the into 893 00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:26,010 consideration the context in which these 894 00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,710 inscriptions were found before we really 895 00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:30,540 had not only before the time and really 896 00:42:36,590 --> 00:42:33,420 had knowledge of really good knowledge 897 00:42:38,420 --> 00:42:36,600 of Semitic languages you know it's 898 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:38,430 difficult to argue that they are hoaxes 899 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:43,650 or forgeries the the book of the Mormon 900 00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:45,810 and and I know you well well versed in 901 00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,750 that even though its origins are fairly 902 00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:53,460 controversial yes is there is there 903 00:43:00,400 --> 00:42:57,000 anything mentioned about giants in in 904 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:00,410 that it's an excellent question so 905 00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:02,250 what's one thing that's really 906 00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:04,590 interesting about the Book of Mormon so 907 00:43:09,110 --> 00:43:07,140 the Book of Mormon tells the story of a 908 00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:09,120 group of Jesus in the middle from the 909 00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:13,920 Near East who around the late 6th 910 00:43:19,610 --> 00:43:16,680 century we said let's get late 7th 911 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,620 century early 6th century migrate from 912 00:43:23,059 --> 00:43:21,900 Jerusalem right before is destroyed by 913 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:23,069 King Nebuchadnezzar and 914 00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:27,890 586 BCE to the new world and they claim 915 00:43:37,489 --> 00:43:33,089 so it's basically the guys name is Nephi 916 00:43:39,769 --> 00:43:37,499 and his his race splits up into two 917 00:43:43,279 --> 00:43:39,779 groups and he fights and the Lamanites 918 00:43:45,499 --> 00:43:43,289 and the Nephites continue not just with 919 00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,509 Nephi but his descendants they always 920 00:43:50,959 --> 00:43:47,640 refer to themselves as quote-unquote 921 00:43:53,749 --> 00:43:50,969 being tall in stature now this is 922 00:43:55,999 --> 00:43:53,759 interesting because when you when you 923 00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:56,009 look up that quote in the Bible Tim the 924 00:44:02,539 --> 00:43:58,920 only time that you have that phrase tall 925 00:44:07,279 --> 00:44:02,549 in stature is referring to giant peoples 926 00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,289 hmm so so even though the Book of Mormon 927 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:09,440 is not used to term China specifically 928 00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:12,209 it seems to imply that these people were 929 00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:15,390 of above average height and a lot of 930 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,819 people I'll just put myself in that camp 931 00:44:22,099 --> 00:44:20,400 as well a lot of people especially who 932 00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,109 take the model that the Book of Mormon 933 00:44:26,029 --> 00:44:23,940 is set in North America rather than 934 00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,039 South America is a big debate amongst 935 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:28,680 Mormons with that would say that you 936 00:44:32,989 --> 00:44:31,680 know the the be fights and Lamanites are 937 00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:32,999 synonymous was the hope well in the 938 00:44:40,969 --> 00:44:38,640 adina-in in north america well it's a 939 00:44:43,069 --> 00:44:40,979 it's a fascinating subject and and and I 940 00:44:45,709 --> 00:44:43,079 know that we could we could talk about 941 00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,719 this for another couple of hours but 942 00:44:51,609 --> 00:44:47,880 unfortunately we're almost out of time 943 00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:51,619 so Adam I want to give you the chance to 944 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,839 have you tell our audience where they 945 00:44:58,989 --> 00:44:57,660 can find out more about you you know do 946 00:45:02,839 --> 00:44:58,999 you have a website 947 00:45:04,279 --> 00:45:02,849 books you know you know articles that 948 00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:04,289 you may have been written about this 949 00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,670 subject just um 950 00:45:12,259 --> 00:45:07,920 you know now is your chance yes 951 00:45:14,779 --> 00:45:12,269 absolutely so have contribute every 952 00:45:17,259 --> 00:45:14,789 couple months to the magazine ancient 953 00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:17,269 American which is a great magazine about 954 00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,380 pre-columbian American history I'd 955 00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,119 recommend if you're interested in that I 956 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:23,160 definitely recommend you getting a 957 00:45:30,859 --> 00:45:25,650 subscription not trying to get money 958 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:30,869 from you guys so but I don't really get 959 00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:32,249 a lot of money from it but it's it's 960 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:34,049 something that I love contributing to 961 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:36,250 there's a lot of great scholars because 962 00:45:42,660 --> 00:45:40,000 that magazine I also have a couple of 963 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:42,670 articles out on ancient American culture 964 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:47,650 in on lost origins calm so I have an 965 00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:50,050 article that published recently on the 966 00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:51,460 mound builders and their possible 967 00:45:58,050 --> 00:45:55,360 connection to Egypt I also have an 968 00:46:01,580 --> 00:45:58,060 ancient American a couple of reviews 969 00:46:03,690 --> 00:46:01,590 I've done on Giants on ceremonial mounds 970 00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:03,700 looking at the work of Richard Dewhurst 971 00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,220 and the late dr. mark Leno and I have a 972 00:46:13,410 --> 00:46:11,200 Old Testament technical perspectives of 973 00:46:15,770 --> 00:46:13,420 the perspectives on the Old Testament 974 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:15,780 doesn't talk about Giants but it's just 975 00:46:20,670 --> 00:46:18,250 one of the books that I've published I'm 976 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:20,680 more like an academic textbook I am in 977 00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:22,240 the process of working on the book on 978 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:24,910 giants called from Egypt to Ohio and I'm 979 00:46:31,230 --> 00:46:27,370 shopping that around right now as we 980 00:46:32,700 --> 00:46:31,240 speak I have a Facebook page it's built 981 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:32,710 kind of public and private anybody's 982 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:34,570 welcome to you a friend of your facebook 983 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:37,210 I put a lot of ancient American 984 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:39,880 civilization stuff there but you'll also 985 00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:41,650 see pictures of my kids and Star Wars 986 00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:43,620 stuff from time to time 987 00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:46,120 alright well Adam thank you very much we 988 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:47,860 had a great time talking with tonight 989 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:49,810 always always a fascinating subject I 990 00:46:54,570 --> 00:46:52,330 think well thank you all right well I 991 00:46:57,930 --> 00:46:54,580 just want to say though to uh this will 992 00:46:59,580 --> 00:46:57,940 be up on YouTube shortly I'm sure Peter 993 00:47:05,160 --> 00:46:59,590 will be working on it overnight and 994 00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:05,170 that's mr. UFOs secret files I think 995 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:07,900 we're well up over 400 interviews there 996 00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:11,020 now and unfortunately one of our 997 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:14,080 favorite magazines folded Atlantis 998 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:16,510 rising which had quite a few articles on 999 00:47:21,990 --> 00:47:18,970 giants and magazines applause that lost 1000 00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,000 world cube and you know magazines just 1001 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:24,220 aren't what they used to be they've gone 1002 00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:28,450 the way of the giants it's all right 1003 00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:30,790 thank you so much for having me back 1004 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:41,450 you've been listening to exploring the 1005 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,450 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley and T 1006 00:47:51,260 --> 00:47:48,720 swaps they're taking back the night by 1007 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:51,270 jetting non-stop across the cosmos 1008 00:47:56,660 --> 00:47:53,609 in search of the truly bizarre and 1009 00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:56,670 totally unexplained with you as their 1010 00:48:00,490 --> 00:47:57,990 combines 1011 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:00,500 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 1012 00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:04,980 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 1013 00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:06,200 rating 1014 00:48:12,070 --> 00:48:08,630 for more information on exploring the 1015 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:12,080 bazaar and hosts timothy Beckley and Tim 1016 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:14,930 Schwartz check out their kco our digital 1017 00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:18,050 radio network follow their YouTube